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		<title>By: John McCollum</title>
		<link>http://american-family.org/2007/12/10/so-predictable/comment-page-1/#comment-62068</link>
		<dc:creator>John McCollum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 22:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, if Karen and Joybucket aren&#039;t bringing their snakes, I guess I shouldn&#039;t either. 

Our church is very Jesusy, but it&#039;s also very open to people who don&#039;t make any particular profession of faith. It&#039;s very white, but decreasingly so. If nothing else, it could make for a good blog post...

I suppose I should come right out of the closet and say that I actually grew up in the church with the crucifixion thing. You&#039;re lucky -- back in the 80s, they really did have lots of fake blood. From what I hear, they kind of keep it a little less gory. Still, it&#039;s pretty intense for a 4 year old, especially if they or their parents aren&#039;t expecting it. 

I know of quite a few people who have had the same reaction -- they&#039;re either horrified or they feel like they&#039;ve been baited-and-switched. Or both. Sigh. Sorry about that.

I do hope that you are able to figure out what kind of faith community (if any) is good for your family. Even as someone who believes, it&#039;s difficult for me to decide what kind of religious &#039;education&#039; my kids should have.

Good luck...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if Karen and Joybucket aren&#8217;t bringing their snakes, I guess I shouldn&#8217;t either. </p>
<p>Our church is very Jesusy, but it&#8217;s also very open to people who don&#8217;t make any particular profession of faith. It&#8217;s very white, but decreasingly so. If nothing else, it could make for a good blog post&#8230;</p>
<p>I suppose I should come right out of the closet and say that I actually grew up in the church with the crucifixion thing. You&#8217;re lucky &#8212; back in the 80s, they really did have lots of fake blood. From what I hear, they kind of keep it a little less gory. Still, it&#8217;s pretty intense for a 4 year old, especially if they or their parents aren&#8217;t expecting it. </p>
<p>I know of quite a few people who have had the same reaction &#8212; they&#8217;re either horrified or they feel like they&#8217;ve been baited-and-switched. Or both. Sigh. Sorry about that.</p>
<p>I do hope that you are able to figure out what kind of faith community (if any) is good for your family. Even as someone who believes, it&#8217;s difficult for me to decide what kind of religious &#8216;education&#8217; my kids should have.</p>
<p>Good luck&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: cloudscome</title>
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		<dc:creator>cloudscome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you would do well to look into the Quakers. See what you can hook up with through http://www.quaker.org/. If you find the right community they are wonderful and open to all types.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you would do well to look into the Quakers. See what you can hook up with through <a href="http://www.quaker.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.quaker.org/</a>. If you find the right community they are wonderful and open to all types.</p>
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		<title>By: mimi smartypants</title>
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		<dc:creator>mimi smartypants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t want to introduce the snark, because I know there was a good heart behind this comment, but this kind of amuses me:

&quot;Ours is also kind of white but not overwhelmingly… I’d say no more than 85-90%.&quot;

We&#039;re skipping the church thing altogether. We don&#039;t believe, and while I want my kid to know about Jesus and Bible stories so she can understand the allusions in a lot of great English-language literature, there is plenty of time to learn that stuff in a &quot;world religions&quot; sort of way. I think it would be very confusing at a young age to try and be part of a community but then turn around and tell my child that I don&#039;t believe what the community does. (When she&#039;s of age she can believe whatever she wants, of course.) I think the UU thing is pretty cool if all you&#039;re looking for is fellowship or a gathering place (we have an extensive friend network so I don&#039;t feel a lack of that). But I wouldn&#039;t want there to be any god talk, personally. 

Have you read the book Parenting Without Belief? The subtitle is something about &quot;raising caring, ethical kids without religion.&quot; (Too lazy to Google.) I found it pretty inspiring! (And I don&#039;t mean that ironically.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t want to introduce the snark, because I know there was a good heart behind this comment, but this kind of amuses me:</p>
<p>&#8220;Ours is also kind of white but not overwhelmingly… I’d say no more than 85-90%.&#8221;</p>
<p>We&#8217;re skipping the church thing altogether. We don&#8217;t believe, and while I want my kid to know about Jesus and Bible stories so she can understand the allusions in a lot of great English-language literature, there is plenty of time to learn that stuff in a &#8220;world religions&#8221; sort of way. I think it would be very confusing at a young age to try and be part of a community but then turn around and tell my child that I don&#8217;t believe what the community does. (When she&#8217;s of age she can believe whatever she wants, of course.) I think the UU thing is pretty cool if all you&#8217;re looking for is fellowship or a gathering place (we have an extensive friend network so I don&#8217;t feel a lack of that). But I wouldn&#8217;t want there to be any god talk, personally. </p>
<p>Have you read the book Parenting Without Belief? The subtitle is something about &#8220;raising caring, ethical kids without religion.&#8221; (Too lazy to Google.) I found it pretty inspiring! (And I don&#8217;t mean that ironically.)</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://american-family.org/2007/12/10/so-predictable/comment-page-1/#comment-61702</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are DOC (Disciples of Christ)- and very liberal in the we have the &quot;all are welcome&quot; motto- which besides reminding me a bit of Poltergeist is pretty cool- there have always been gays around and women ministers.  I was raised DOC, and a very liberal DOC at that and never felt an urge to look further.  Although in our new town I am less than thrilled with the one here- but there are 2 others to try before we give up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are DOC (Disciples of Christ)- and very liberal in the we have the &#8220;all are welcome&#8221; motto- which besides reminding me a bit of Poltergeist is pretty cool- there have always been gays around and women ministers.  I was raised DOC, and a very liberal DOC at that and never felt an urge to look further.  Although in our new town I am less than thrilled with the one here- but there are 2 others to try before we give up.</p>
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		<title>By: Spacemom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spacemom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oy Vey! I would consider not doing a religion to placate your parents. I think it is TOTALLY fair to say &quot;Hey, we felt this was not appropriate for her to go to&quot; and discuss that you will be giving her what religion you feel she needs.

Religion is such a hot topic and dangerous too because even if you raise M &amp; L with a Christian church, it might not be the &quot;right&quot; kind of Christian. 

You know, at 4 I am not sure M needs to know about the crucifixtion...Ick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oy Vey! I would consider not doing a religion to placate your parents. I think it is TOTALLY fair to say &#8220;Hey, we felt this was not appropriate for her to go to&#8221; and discuss that you will be giving her what religion you feel she needs.</p>
<p>Religion is such a hot topic and dangerous too because even if you raise M &amp; L with a Christian church, it might not be the &#8220;right&#8221; kind of Christian. </p>
<p>You know, at 4 I am not sure M needs to know about the crucifixtion&#8230;Ick</p>
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