<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: struggle session</title>
	<atom:link href="http://american-family.org/2008/05/12/struggle-session/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://american-family.org/2008/05/12/struggle-session/</link>
	<description></description>
	<lastBuildDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 02:05:03 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2</generator>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
		<item>
		<title>By: zoe</title>
		<link>http://american-family.org/2008/05/12/struggle-session/comment-page-1/#comment-82209</link>
		<dc:creator>zoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 16:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://american-family.org/2008/05/12/struggle-session/#comment-82209</guid>
		<description>Delurking again.  I&#039;ve been thinking a lot of this post.  I have friends who live in Vermont, in a teeny town where they are the only Asians (they&#039;re both Chinese American).  They have a 3-year-old daughter.  Because of the husband&#039;s work, they&#039;re in no position to move at this time, though they hope that by the time their daughter starts primary school they can go somewhere more diverse.  Meanwhile, once a week they drive to New Hampshire to bring their daugther to a Big Sister program held at Dartmouth; the program mainly matches Chinese adoptees with Chinese American &quot;Big Sisters&quot; who are college students, though they also let me friend&#039;s daughter join. In spite of the fact that their daughter is growing up with two Asian faces in her house, that&#039;s not enough for them, and they want her to be exposed to a range of Asian Americans.  Their daughter adores her Big Sister and they do all sorts of projects together.  I don&#039;t know whether your community has a similar program, and maybe it&#039;s not right for you since it seems that you do have extended Asian American family nearby, but just throwing this out on the table.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Delurking again.  I&#8217;ve been thinking a lot of this post.  I have friends who live in Vermont, in a teeny town where they are the only Asians (they&#8217;re both Chinese American).  They have a 3-year-old daughter.  Because of the husband&#8217;s work, they&#8217;re in no position to move at this time, though they hope that by the time their daughter starts primary school they can go somewhere more diverse.  Meanwhile, once a week they drive to New Hampshire to bring their daugther to a Big Sister program held at Dartmouth; the program mainly matches Chinese adoptees with Chinese American &#8220;Big Sisters&#8221; who are college students, though they also let me friend&#8217;s daughter join. In spite of the fact that their daughter is growing up with two Asian faces in her house, that&#8217;s not enough for them, and they want her to be exposed to a range of Asian Americans.  Their daughter adores her Big Sister and they do all sorts of projects together.  I don&#8217;t know whether your community has a similar program, and maybe it&#8217;s not right for you since it seems that you do have extended Asian American family nearby, but just throwing this out on the table.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Julie</title>
		<link>http://american-family.org/2008/05/12/struggle-session/comment-page-1/#comment-82200</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 12:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://american-family.org/2008/05/12/struggle-session/#comment-82200</guid>
		<description>We live in a pretty white neighbourhood is a pretty diverse city.  We could live elsewhere in the city, but the area we&#039;re in is by far the most convenient to our lives.  Our family is  Chinese, French and Jewish - we wouldn&#039;t all fit in no matter what neighbourhood we picked.  The kids (one adopted, one bio) both take Mandarin lessons and both go to Sunday school at synagogue.  The school they attend is probably around 25% Jewish and 25% Asian, that&#039;s a good mix for us.  We have the advantage of living in a large urban area.  While our immdiate neighbourhood may not be overly colourful, as soon as we head out anywhere, there&#039;s an explosion of culture.  At this point, that works for us.  We&#039;ll tweek as needed as we go along.   It&#039;s an interesting path we&#039;re all making for ourselves. :-)

Julie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We live in a pretty white neighbourhood is a pretty diverse city.  We could live elsewhere in the city, but the area we&#8217;re in is by far the most convenient to our lives.  Our family is  Chinese, French and Jewish &#8211; we wouldn&#8217;t all fit in no matter what neighbourhood we picked.  The kids (one adopted, one bio) both take Mandarin lessons and both go to Sunday school at synagogue.  The school they attend is probably around 25% Jewish and 25% Asian, that&#8217;s a good mix for us.  We have the advantage of living in a large urban area.  While our immdiate neighbourhood may not be overly colourful, as soon as we head out anywhere, there&#8217;s an explosion of culture.  At this point, that works for us.  We&#8217;ll tweek as needed as we go along.   It&#8217;s an interesting path we&#8217;re all making for ourselves. <img src='http://american-family.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Julie</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: eliz</title>
		<link>http://american-family.org/2008/05/12/struggle-session/comment-page-1/#comment-82186</link>
		<dc:creator>eliz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 02:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://american-family.org/2008/05/12/struggle-session/#comment-82186</guid>
		<description>I&#039;m going through something similar, as I&#039;m trying to decide on a preschool for my adopted Chinese daughter. (PLEASE, please do not think I go around introducing her as, &quot;Sally Jane, my adopted Chinese daughter.&quot; Just giving you the background info.) The &quot;old&quot; school (where she&#039;s been doing a few mornings a week of &quot;mothers&#039; morning out&quot;) is whiter than white and rather small. Not small in the number of students, but more happy to be a safe cocoon where everyone knows everyone and not too concerned about the big, bad world out there. The new school is a Montessori school with more Asians than the old school (though not many more) as well as ESL European students, as the school has an enrollment agreement with two international businesses in town that are based in Germany and France. So while the new school wouldn&#039;t be providing my daughter with much in the way of non-white diversity, it&#039;s sure as hell more diverse than her current school. And then there are the benefits of the Montessori method, which, on paper, I dig.

However, for now (and this could change in another year), we&#039;ve chosen to stay at the old school. I AGONIZED over this because we are in a position with my husband&#039;s business that we won&#039;t be moving to a more-diverse city in the next 10-20 years, and moving to a more-diverse neighborhood isn&#039;t in the cards, either, so I&#039;ll be expecting a lot from my daughter&#039;s school environment (and the Chinese language activities we join) to make up for the choices we&#039;ve made for the adults in the family.

In the end, I chose the old school because my daughter has made friends there, so have I, and I feel like the teachers and administrators there really love and care about my daughter. I think the &quot;academics&quot; (such as they are for 3-year-olds) are better at the Montessori, and as I&#039;ve said, the diversity is far better there, but I chose warmth over my high-minded liberal ideals.

Did I make the decision for selfish reasons? Was I more worried about where *I* would fit in? Am I shortchanging her opportunities to meet children from other cultures? I suppose so, but diversity isn&#039;t everything. It simply can&#039;t be; there are too many other factors to consider.

Now, my situation is just preschool. You&#039;re talking about where to live. Much bigger. But I don&#039;t think you should beat yourself up over whether the decisions you make are solely for your children&#039;s interests or for the family as a whole. 

I agree with what Trope said. I think you need to live in a community of *your* choosing and that your children will learn from that. It seems very contrived and artificial to choose a community &quot;for them.&quot; Besides, they&#039;ll have the opportunity to live they way they want when they&#039;re adults.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going through something similar, as I&#8217;m trying to decide on a preschool for my adopted Chinese daughter. (PLEASE, please do not think I go around introducing her as, &#8220;Sally Jane, my adopted Chinese daughter.&#8221; Just giving you the background info.) The &#8220;old&#8221; school (where she&#8217;s been doing a few mornings a week of &#8220;mothers&#8217; morning out&#8221;) is whiter than white and rather small. Not small in the number of students, but more happy to be a safe cocoon where everyone knows everyone and not too concerned about the big, bad world out there. The new school is a Montessori school with more Asians than the old school (though not many more) as well as ESL European students, as the school has an enrollment agreement with two international businesses in town that are based in Germany and France. So while the new school wouldn&#8217;t be providing my daughter with much in the way of non-white diversity, it&#8217;s sure as hell more diverse than her current school. And then there are the benefits of the Montessori method, which, on paper, I dig.</p>
<p>However, for now (and this could change in another year), we&#8217;ve chosen to stay at the old school. I AGONIZED over this because we are in a position with my husband&#8217;s business that we won&#8217;t be moving to a more-diverse city in the next 10-20 years, and moving to a more-diverse neighborhood isn&#8217;t in the cards, either, so I&#8217;ll be expecting a lot from my daughter&#8217;s school environment (and the Chinese language activities we join) to make up for the choices we&#8217;ve made for the adults in the family.</p>
<p>In the end, I chose the old school because my daughter has made friends there, so have I, and I feel like the teachers and administrators there really love and care about my daughter. I think the &#8220;academics&#8221; (such as they are for 3-year-olds) are better at the Montessori, and as I&#8217;ve said, the diversity is far better there, but I chose warmth over my high-minded liberal ideals.</p>
<p>Did I make the decision for selfish reasons? Was I more worried about where *I* would fit in? Am I shortchanging her opportunities to meet children from other cultures? I suppose so, but diversity isn&#8217;t everything. It simply can&#8217;t be; there are too many other factors to consider.</p>
<p>Now, my situation is just preschool. You&#8217;re talking about where to live. Much bigger. But I don&#8217;t think you should beat yourself up over whether the decisions you make are solely for your children&#8217;s interests or for the family as a whole. </p>
<p>I agree with what Trope said. I think you need to live in a community of *your* choosing and that your children will learn from that. It seems very contrived and artificial to choose a community &#8220;for them.&#8221; Besides, they&#8217;ll have the opportunity to live they way they want when they&#8217;re adults.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Anne</title>
		<link>http://american-family.org/2008/05/12/struggle-session/comment-page-1/#comment-82172</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 19:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://american-family.org/2008/05/12/struggle-session/#comment-82172</guid>
		<description>I agree with the commenters above--in some ways, whatever decisions we make for our children, we just can&#039;t win.  We can&#039;t win because our children are going to be their own persons, growing up in a culture that is different from ours, and none of us can ever predict the future.  

What we can do (and what you are doing, really really well) is think as carefully and thoughtfully about our decisions as we can.  When our children are old enough to discuss these decisions, at least we will be able to detail the thought processes we went through to reach our decision.  

Me?  I&#039;m a caucasian mother with a caucasian husband and a biological caucasian daughter, but I lived in Japan for two years and consider it my &quot;adopted&quot; culture, and I really want my daughter to learn Japanese.  But now I&#039;m angsting because I think probably another language would be more useful for her--either Mandarin or Spanish (we live in the Intermountain West).  And I worry that whichever one I choose, she will eventually say she wished I had picked another one.  Like I said--the best we can probably hope for here is a draw!

P.S.  I understand that this is not an earth-shattering decision, to say the least, but providing the opportunity for my child to be fluent in another language is something I have always been adamant about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the commenters above&#8211;in some ways, whatever decisions we make for our children, we just can&#8217;t win.  We can&#8217;t win because our children are going to be their own persons, growing up in a culture that is different from ours, and none of us can ever predict the future.  </p>
<p>What we can do (and what you are doing, really really well) is think as carefully and thoughtfully about our decisions as we can.  When our children are old enough to discuss these decisions, at least we will be able to detail the thought processes we went through to reach our decision.  </p>
<p>Me?  I&#8217;m a caucasian mother with a caucasian husband and a biological caucasian daughter, but I lived in Japan for two years and consider it my &#8220;adopted&#8221; culture, and I really want my daughter to learn Japanese.  But now I&#8217;m angsting because I think probably another language would be more useful for her&#8211;either Mandarin or Spanish (we live in the Intermountain West).  And I worry that whichever one I choose, she will eventually say she wished I had picked another one.  Like I said&#8211;the best we can probably hope for here is a draw!</p>
<p>P.S.  I understand that this is not an earth-shattering decision, to say the least, but providing the opportunity for my child to be fluent in another language is something I have always been adamant about.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: LM</title>
		<link>http://american-family.org/2008/05/12/struggle-session/comment-page-1/#comment-82159</link>
		<dc:creator>LM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 16:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://american-family.org/2008/05/12/struggle-session/#comment-82159</guid>
		<description>You know, it sounds like you have a nice if imperfect situation. Imperfect and not-nice is more often the norm. There are always trade-offs, regardless of where they are, regardless of the racial demographics.

Exposure to &quot;Chineseness&quot; is a complicated one, because there is no set baromter of &quot;Chineseness&quot;: north v south v east v west? Domestic via diaspora? 

I&#039;m glad for your sake the Shanghai move never materialized - life as an expat taitai would be at best miserable, at worst could have destroyed your family. Not to mention that Shanghai culture has is 100% foreign to your family, unless you accepted a reductionist pan-Chinese all the sameness. If your kids went to Chinese school here, they&#039;d be subject to all sorts of abuse as the &quot;other&quot;, as overseas Chinese, as an adoptee, as mixed race, as white. Chinese culture is rather brutally un-pc. At foreigner schools, they would become the most racist/classist, entitled little neocolonialists.

I worry about this issues a lot, and my half-immigrant children remain still imaginary. The preschool woes of even my fully Shanghainese friends keep me up at night. I hope, that as long as kids have happy parents and a great community, these issues won&#039;t matter. But, I know they will. Just not as much as the things I&#039;ve yet to imagine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, it sounds like you have a nice if imperfect situation. Imperfect and not-nice is more often the norm. There are always trade-offs, regardless of where they are, regardless of the racial demographics.</p>
<p>Exposure to &#8220;Chineseness&#8221; is a complicated one, because there is no set baromter of &#8220;Chineseness&#8221;: north v south v east v west? Domestic via diaspora? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad for your sake the Shanghai move never materialized &#8211; life as an expat taitai would be at best miserable, at worst could have destroyed your family. Not to mention that Shanghai culture has is 100% foreign to your family, unless you accepted a reductionist pan-Chinese all the sameness. If your kids went to Chinese school here, they&#8217;d be subject to all sorts of abuse as the &#8220;other&#8221;, as overseas Chinese, as an adoptee, as mixed race, as white. Chinese culture is rather brutally un-pc. At foreigner schools, they would become the most racist/classist, entitled little neocolonialists.</p>
<p>I worry about this issues a lot, and my half-immigrant children remain still imaginary. The preschool woes of even my fully Shanghainese friends keep me up at night. I hope, that as long as kids have happy parents and a great community, these issues won&#8217;t matter. But, I know they will. Just not as much as the things I&#8217;ve yet to imagine.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
