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		<title>By: Mia</title>
		<link>http://american-family.org/2009/11/08/the-other-side-of-the-coin/comment-page-1/#comment-131784</link>
		<dc:creator>Mia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 04:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this list hits on sore truths, and I would add another one: adoptive parents of benefit from the adopted child widely being perceived as more than ordinarily &quot;cute&quot;. As the mother of babies who were perceived that way, and good friend to more than one mother of babies who weren&#039;t, I feel like that&#039;s a tangible benefit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this list hits on sore truths, and I would add another one: adoptive parents of benefit from the adopted child widely being perceived as more than ordinarily &#8220;cute&#8221;. As the mother of babies who were perceived that way, and good friend to more than one mother of babies who weren&#8217;t, I feel like that&#8217;s a tangible benefit.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 02:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting discussion, and not a simple issue. 

My issue is not the race of the adopted parents but the general cluelessness. Most white Americans who adopt from China are oblivious about both China and racial and identity issues. And, of course, parents who assume that white=normal/better, and exoticize their adopted children, have no business transracially adopting.

On the other hand, I know white parents who have lived or still live in China, who speak Mandarin, who are more conversant in &quot;Chinese culture&quot; (but the actual, live variety, not the fetishized variety), who have adopted Chinese kids. They live in multi-ethnic, heavily Asian communities, whether in Asia or in the US. But - even for them is it better? If they stay in China, the kids get to keep their birth country identity while having all the advantages of being US nationals, growing up bilingual, etc. On the other hand, by tint of their adopted parents, they&#039;ll grow up as foreigners and outsiders in their birth country.

It&#039;s not restricted to adoption - I&#039;ve seen some kids of transnational families grow into sophisticated global citizens, but others into lost souls fitting nowhere.

Back to adoption, keep in mind that China remains a very poor country. The urban glitter is a mask, a false face to impress foreigners. 5-10% of Chinese are well-off, but mostly at the expense of the rest of the people, and the prosperity of the minority drives up the cost of living for the majority. Of course all the child trafficking is immensely disturbing. But there are still a lot of abandoned kids - albeit a lot of them older.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting discussion, and not a simple issue. </p>
<p>My issue is not the race of the adopted parents but the general cluelessness. Most white Americans who adopt from China are oblivious about both China and racial and identity issues. And, of course, parents who assume that white=normal/better, and exoticize their adopted children, have no business transracially adopting.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I know white parents who have lived or still live in China, who speak Mandarin, who are more conversant in &#8220;Chinese culture&#8221; (but the actual, live variety, not the fetishized variety), who have adopted Chinese kids. They live in multi-ethnic, heavily Asian communities, whether in Asia or in the US. But &#8211; even for them is it better? If they stay in China, the kids get to keep their birth country identity while having all the advantages of being US nationals, growing up bilingual, etc. On the other hand, by tint of their adopted parents, they&#8217;ll grow up as foreigners and outsiders in their birth country.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not restricted to adoption &#8211; I&#8217;ve seen some kids of transnational families grow into sophisticated global citizens, but others into lost souls fitting nowhere.</p>
<p>Back to adoption, keep in mind that China remains a very poor country. The urban glitter is a mask, a false face to impress foreigners. 5-10% of Chinese are well-off, but mostly at the expense of the rest of the people, and the prosperity of the minority drives up the cost of living for the majority. Of course all the child trafficking is immensely disturbing. But there are still a lot of abandoned kids &#8211; albeit a lot of them older.</p>
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		<title>By: k2</title>
		<link>http://american-family.org/2009/11/08/the-other-side-of-the-coin/comment-page-1/#comment-131181</link>
		<dc:creator>k2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I think there would be far fewer American babies in need of adoption if this country didn’t do such a crap-ass job of providing support and health care to expecting mothers in crisis, not to mention the stigma around single/teen motherhood that still exists.&quot;

I agree with your complaint about the lack of support and health care available to expectant mothers, however the stigma surrounding single motherhood seems to have existed in the white population and now seems to have largely disappeared.
 
Among children born to never-married women under 45 years of age, percentage who were relinquished for adoption, by race, according to year of child’s birth: United States, before 1973–2002
according to year of child’s birth: United States, before 1973–2002
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Race                      Before 1973     1973-1981        1982-1988
All women                       8.7           4.1             2.0
Black or African American       1.5           0.2             1.1
White                          19.3           7.5             3.2

&lt;i&gt;Source: Jones J. Adoption experiences of women and men and demand for children to adopt by women 18–44 years of age in the United States, 2002. National Center for Health Statistics. Vital Health Stat 23(27). 2008. Statistics&lt;/i&gt;

Also noted in the text of the report &quot;As noted in the ‘‘Methods’’ section, relinquishment in this report includes infants relinquished during the first month whereas in previous reports relinquishment was limited to those infants relinquished at birth because, of the estimated 6.8 million babies born to never-married women 18–44 years of age between 1996 and 2002, too few infants were relinquished at birth (without being named) by the biological mother to produce statistically reliable results (not shown).&quot; 

The study makes for fascinating reading, BTW. It looked at not only the characteristics of potential adoptive parents but also at the &quot;Characteristics of the Adopted Child That Women Would Prefer&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think there would be far fewer American babies in need of adoption if this country didn’t do such a crap-ass job of providing support and health care to expecting mothers in crisis, not to mention the stigma around single/teen motherhood that still exists.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree with your complaint about the lack of support and health care available to expectant mothers, however the stigma surrounding single motherhood seems to have existed in the white population and now seems to have largely disappeared.</p>
<p>Among children born to never-married women under 45 years of age, percentage who were relinquished for adoption, by race, according to year of child’s birth: United States, before 1973–2002<br />
according to year of child’s birth: United States, before 1973–2002<br />
(truncated to fit here)<br />
Race                      Before 1973     1973-1981        1982-1988<br />
All women                       8.7           4.1             2.0<br />
Black or African American       1.5           0.2             1.1<br />
White                          19.3           7.5             3.2</p>
<p><i>Source: Jones J. Adoption experiences of women and men and demand for children to adopt by women 18–44 years of age in the United States, 2002. National Center for Health Statistics. Vital Health Stat 23(27). 2008. Statistics</i></p>
<p>Also noted in the text of the report &#8220;As noted in the ‘‘Methods’’ section, relinquishment in this report includes infants relinquished during the first month whereas in previous reports relinquishment was limited to those infants relinquished at birth because, of the estimated 6.8 million babies born to never-married women 18–44 years of age between 1996 and 2002, too few infants were relinquished at birth (without being named) by the biological mother to produce statistically reliable results (not shown).&#8221; </p>
<p>The study makes for fascinating reading, BTW. It looked at not only the characteristics of potential adoptive parents but also at the &#8220;Characteristics of the Adopted Child That Women Would Prefer&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: k2</title>
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		<dc:creator>k2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;CCAA has stated often that the number of kids actually available for adoption is around 50,000.&quot;

Yes, and in 2001 China told the UNICEF &quot;In China, there are 46,808 orphaned or abandoned children, most of whom are disabled and under state care.&quot;  Source: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.unicef.org/evaldatabase/index_15349.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;2001 CHN: Children in Institutions and Other Forms of Alternative Care in China&lt;/a&gt; I don&#039;t think that anyone believes that particular number, and yet that was the official number reported.

As they say - &quot;never believe statistics you don&#039;t falsify yourself&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;CCAA has stated often that the number of kids actually available for adoption is around 50,000.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, and in 2001 China told the UNICEF &#8220;In China, there are 46,808 orphaned or abandoned children, most of whom are disabled and under state care.&#8221;  Source: <a href="http://www.unicef.org/evaldatabase/index_15349.html">2001 CHN: Children in Institutions and Other Forms of Alternative Care in China</a> I don&#8217;t think that anyone believes that particular number, and yet that was the official number reported.</p>
<p>As they say &#8211; &#8220;never believe statistics you don&#8217;t falsify yourself&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: k2</title>
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		<dc:creator>k2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;According to UNICEF, there are estimated 100,000 Chinese children abandoned each year, not 1.2 million.&quot;
Could you please provide a link to your source? The data I was able to find from the UN - &quot;Progress for Children: A Report Card for Child Protection&quot;, dated September, 2009, states quite specifically that UNICEF is unable to provides estimates of birth registration, child marriage, child labor, etc. for China as China will not provide data to the UN.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;According to UNICEF, there are estimated 100,000 Chinese children abandoned each year, not 1.2 million.&#8221;<br />
Could you please provide a link to your source? The data I was able to find from the UN &#8211; &#8220;Progress for Children: A Report Card for Child Protection&#8221;, dated September, 2009, states quite specifically that UNICEF is unable to provides estimates of birth registration, child marriage, child labor, etc. for China as China will not provide data to the UN.</p>
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