Chinese Club and the Trip (The TRIP!!!)

I am skipping around in the questions a little because I don’t have time to write a really long answer this morning. I will get to them all, I promise.

Kate asks:

Can you talk more about the Mandarin immersion program that you are taking M to? How was it started, and how did they find teachers? A group of people in my city have talked of starting a program up; would you have any advice for us? Thanks!!

The “Chinese Club” that M attends is an experimental program by a local university with a very well-respected Chinese department.  I believe their intention is to design and test an elementary school curriculum and then sell it to other schools.  The teachers are affiliated with the university’s curriculum development department, Chinese language department and/ or the foreign language education department in the school of education.  Most of the teachers are graduate students who get paid a modest amount of money to teach the class (I think).

Obviously, we feel really lucky that we found this program.  We only pay $130 a quarter (10 weeks) for two 1.5 hour classes a week, including snack.  I would imagine a similar program run privately would have to be significantly more expensive.  The best thing about this class is that it mostly a full immersion class.  The kids were very uncomfortable at first, but now (after about 20 weeks), they are all used to it.

The best advice I can offer is that it makes a HUGE difference to have trained teachers who understand the language-learning process.  Just picking random Chinese speakers would be much less effective (as demonstrated by our years of untrained Chinese tutors AND the teachers at Chinese school who have no experience with language education).

It is also helpful to have the teachers use American teaching techniques rather than Chinese techniques.  In a typical Chinese classroom, there isn’t much fun.  The kids seem to learn better and like learning Chinese better when there are games, songs and stories they can relate to in the curriculum.  Early on in the class, M’s teachers realized that the kids were not understanding a couple Chinese games they were playing, so they asked the parents to suggest some American games they could play in Chinese.

Sarah in Ottawa asks:

I love travel planning and I would LOVE to hear about your plans for your China trip (if you are willing to share). Are there any other trips that you have planned in the interim?

Right now, we don’t have any plans for any trips before our China trip, because all our travel savings is allocated to making the China trip as amazing (and long!) as possible.  We will be going to the beach with my parents this summer because they are paying for it and we can drive.  I think the only thing we will fund on that trip is groceries for the week and gas.

Our plans for out China trip are very vague right now, because the dates when we will travel are out of our control due to Mr. A’s job.  We will probably go either next January-February or in late spring (I hope NOT Jan Feb! Because I don’t want to be traveling during Chinese New Year).   We hope to be traveling for about eight weeks with two weeks in Taiwan and six weeks in China.   In Taiwan, we will probably spend a week or so in Taipei and a week in Mr. A’s family’s hometown (Nantou).

Right now, the plan is to fly to Taiwan first.   We may split the Taipei portion up and spend 2-3 days recovering from jetlag in Taipei,  go visit his family then go back to Taipei for a few more days before we go to China. (If we are traveling during CNY, I might consider spending those weeks in Taiwan with Mr. A’s family (and not in China where traveling is a flipping CNY nightmare).   I haven’t researched Taiwan yet, but if there is anything to see between Nantou and Taipei, maybe we will take a train or rent a car so we can stop along the way.  (Note to self, get the 2o10 Lonely Planet Taiwan book to see what is between Nantou and Taiwan.)  We also have some family business that we might need to attend to in Nantou, not to mention obligatory visits with extended family and probably visiting the graves of Mr. A’s grandparents.

I don’t have a strict agenda for China yet either. I don’t know if we will start in the south and work our way north or if we will go north-south.  It depends on the flights  and how difficult it is to get from Taiwan to China.  I haven’t ruled out flying through Bangkok and taking a few days off there if it ends up being cheaper (I love Thailand).

Once we are in China, we will spend a week or so in Beijing doing all the normal touristy stuff (acrobats, forbidden city, summer palace, great wall, etc.) and hopefully visiting our friends who are living there for a few years.  We will probably go to Xian for a few days because the train going south  goes right through there and I have heard good things about it.   We may also decide to swing through Shanghai. Mr. A’s uncle lives there and we could probably stay with him for a bit to recuperate from all the traveling.   We will spend probably about a week in the Guilin area trying to enjoy it more than I did during our adoption trip (which shouldn’t be hard because I hated it with a flaming hot passion then, which I blame on crippling jetlag and an all-night serenade of CNY firecrackers.) and maybe a day or two near Longsheng.

We are expecting to spend a week or so in L’ s Hometown. I don’t know if we will be able to visit the orphanage, but we will stay in a nearby city and make ourselves visible to the locals and do some research for ourselves and some friends whose kids are also from L’s orphanage.  Depending on the timing of our visit, we might try to visit a local school and some local sight-seeing locations. ( If we end up having family to visit there, we may have to make ourselves invisible and spend a shorter time in the area. We will have to see how that plays out.)  We will probably also visit L’s provincial capital because we had a lovely time there on our last visit.  And also because the food at the hotel there was the bomb.

We will definitely be spending a few days in Hong Kong and visiting Hong Kong Disneyland.  (I know! Me at Disney!  But this trip is all about the girls…see the next pargraph for more info.)  We might ask friends of ours who have family there to meet us (if they are available and want to go to HK), because HK would be more fun with them.  If we have enough time and money, we might also stop in Hawaii on the way home.  You know, to recover from the jet lag.  Not because we like Hawaii.

We are going to do our best to keep our plans very flexible.  If we get bored, we will move on.  If we love where we are, we will stay longer.  The key to this trip is to make sure the girls have a really amazing time.   We want them to love traveling and love China and Taiwan.  We want them to really get to see and touch and taste it.  I expect we will spend a lot of time hanging out in local parks and playgrounds (which were highlights of our adoption trip).  We are going to try to avoid dragging them to sight-seeing things that only adults would appreciate.  Mr. A and I have already seen a lot of China (and we expect to go back to visit again in the future!), so we don’t have to rush around trying to cram everything in.

It goes without saying that we would love any suggestions for kid-friendly places to see or go.  We will probably not go to Sichuan for the pandas this time.  Nor will we go to Tibet.  (I hope for that during  a trip I am imagining for when the girls are in Jr. High and High school during our big India, Nepal, Western/Southern China trip.)  We may be able to swing over to Kunming if we end up having a lot of spare time.

Ok, I spent about an hour more on this post than I intended. Can you tell I love to spend time talking about and imagining trips?

8 comments to Chinese Club and the Trip (The TRIP!!!)

  • Wow, it sounds like it’s going to be a truly AMAZING trip! I missed going to China when my brother (and a close friend of his) lived there, so I guess that right now I don’t know if I’ll ever go. Oh well :-( . (my brother lives in NZ now, which is a great place to visit too).

  • J.

    renting a car in taiwan would be worth it IMHO because there is stuff to see and do on the way to Nantou. Flights from Taipei to HK are easy enough to get so you can use HK as the hub but Bangkok is a nice hub too, just a bit farther than you would actually need to go but I won’t tell anyone. Taiwan can be nice to see, there is lots of great outsoor stuff if you are there in the spring.

  • Sara

    Shanghai is a miracle, and I recommend spending at least a few days there. Beautiful and modern, with incredibly well-thought out urban planning, and yet a lot of history. We actually have family ties there, in that some of my husband’s relatives fled the Nazis by spending the war years in Shanghai; there was a substantial Jewish community in Shanghai during that time.

    A specifically kid-friendly suggestion – the museums dedicated to ethnic minorities http://www.chinamuseums.com/cultural_palace.htm . I remember a very good one in Nanning, Guangxi. I am sure you already thought of the terra cotta warriors, though parts of that are now making their way through the US.

    The zoos in China are very different from US zoos, in particular there is (for good or bad) much less of a barrier between people and animals. In Beijing, our friends’ children were photographed sitting on a live tiger. It was a rather elderly and somnolent tiger, and I’m not sure it had its claws, but still, a very different experience than the USA.

    HK is incredible, and for us was more approachable as tourists because many more people spoke English there than in China.

    One thing that might be fun for kids – experimenting with the regional cuisines – some things, for example mooncakes, that are generally fairly uniform in the US are carried out very differently in different parts of China.

    It sounds very wonderful!

  • WOW! That trip sounds amazing!
    I am planning to take Amelia back when she is older, everyone keeps telling me she is too young now…that I don’t necessarily agree with, but I need about 3 more years to save the money.
    I am dreaming of 4 weeks, can’t even imagine taking 8 – how wonderful for your girls and you;)

  • IMHO, Nantou County is THE place to spend your time. Go to the town of Puli! During my trip to Taiwan to adopt our daughter in December 2008, our Taiwanese guide described Puli as the heart of Taiwan, famous for pristine water, wine, beautiful women, and great weather. He said that there are a lot of retired Japanese living there in the scenic mountainous area.

    Here’s a couple of links from my experiences:

    http://www.mylittlelantern.com/2008/12/day-2-puli-and-sun-moon-lake.html

    http://www.mylittlelantern.com/2008/12/day-3-into-mountains.html

    Mmmm… I think I can still taste those grapes. They tasted like eating grape jelly out of the jar.

  • Eee! You answered my question – and so thoroughly. Thanks! If I weren’t heading off on a three week ong adventure on Saturday, I would be turning so very green…

    The trip sounds so amazing. I am sure that I speak for other readers when I say that if you want to brainstorm (or document) all of your travel planning progress here, we will lap it up.

    Mmm…Thailand. I love it too.

  • LOVED hearing about your future trip! And I can’t wait to read the comments on this post, with suggestions as to kid-friendly activities. It’s not at all the same, but we do plan to bring the Tongginator (and my mom) with us during our upcoming adoption trip. If our travels allow for it, I would love to have my mom and the Tongginator truly experience some of China instead of just sitting inside government office buildings with us.

  • If you make it to Shanghai, gei wo da di wu ba(get in touch). I don’t know kid scenes, but food, history, sites, people, the rest.

    Commenter Sara: Shanghai has “incredibly well-thought out urban planning” huh? Huh?! Well, it did, back in 1500. In the 20th century, early on, Shanghai urban planning consisted of paving over rivers to make roads, which is why most old streets curlique. Current urban “planning” attempts to destroy the city by turning it into a bastardization of Beijing, Singapore and LA. Thought out, yes; well, no. Try transfering subway lines more than once. Even once. It’s all graft and face.

    But, much remains of what makes Shanghai amazing, the people and their sensibilities especially. They deserve better government, and for the “urban planners” to all have concrete feet in the Huangpu before they destroy even more of this city’s greatness.

    Sorry to rag so much on Sara, but – minority parks, really? Minority zoos, and about as humane as Chinese zoos. Except instead of dogs abused in cages, they are minorities abused in cages. Or, more, Han in exotic race face dressed up as minorities. Good for kids only if you want to have Long Talks afterwards.

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